The Yath, and prestige classes

Also, not sure why Sacred Fist would be obviously not part of the Yath?

A cleric could still put in the feats to meet the prerequisites of the class without being a monk (and thus, remaining able to be not-Lawful)

And it's 8/10 progression.

The main issue I have here, IS the rp. With Child of Night, there is a very important thing added to a character, RP-wise... they have gained something more to them, that they can use at their whim. However, I don't really see this being displayed that often, at all.

What I DO see, is Child of Night being used by casters to get access to hide/ms without taking a real route to it, essentially ignoring or "shoving" the rp of the class into their mold, and taking Shadowdancer for the 3 levels, to still get 100% full spellcasting progression with practiced caster. Does this add to the RP of the server, by essentially exploiting a class without taking the RP that goes with it? If they were to actually do something that showed off that they WERE children of the night, claiming themselves not to be what their flesh was, and something more, then fantastic, more power to them.

The Yath are drow. This is a class that BELIEVES they are no longer entirely what they were before. And that gets eschewed away for the free HIPS, as the only readily available, easy access casting class that helps you get it.

As for Sacred fist, in that case it would be allowed, I'm sure. I wouldn't see an issue with it, anyway.

But you are assuming that they do not believe that they are drow. I don't see this as being true with most Drow CoN's really. I think that you are saying that taking CoN SUBTRACTS from a char, as opposed to ADDING to it; something I am pretty certain many players and MOST drow would disagree with. The PrC does not say "You are no longer the race you originally were" and Drow would not fault another drow for taking said route to power, as it DOES NOT BESTOW ANY DEBILITATING FACTORS as being a halfdrow or Lichdrow (or male ) etc would. If it did give some debilitating aspect then you might have a better case to claim so but then that still would not affect how people wished to rp it as long as they were true to rules and lore as dictated.

People dip for HIPS. That is allowed, you just have to do it for three levels as is in the server rules. This(in addition to the required feats) allows for balance. The takeway is that you lose three levels of whatever you were rolling otherwise, as well as 1/4 of your ability to choose new PrC's to mix with. It is not an exploit if it has been agreed upon by the DMs.

There is little point in treating ONE "exploit" as anathema to rp when there are indeed MANY things that could easily be labeled as an "exploit". Literally everything that one does for the sake of having a powerful character is an exploit of some degree, and has balancing factors that mitigate it. That's what we do to opportunities for power- we exploit them

People need to be given room to rp their PrCs as they see fit so that we can have variation with our limited number of PrCs, and there is no point in insisting that they are doing so against rp. It is the things that they do with their characters that constitute rp, not the skills that they choose from the limited number of classes and PrCs which programmers have benevolently bestowed upon us and the DMs have made strains to balance further with specific rules and guidelines.

If you truly think that something is an exploit, then I suggest taking up a poll and/or requesting (with a solution already thought up) that DMs address an issue that you feel is imbalanced. That way we can move forwards without accidentally maligning anyone's rp, which I know from your carefully thought out descriptions is not your intention with this thread.

Vashard wrote:

Also, not sure why Sacred Fist would be obviously not part of the Yath?

A cleric could still put in the feats to meet the prerequisites of the class without being a monk (and thus, remaining able to be not-Lawful)

And it's 8/10 progression.

There's currently a yathrin whose a sacred fist

Also, while we're on the subject, what are the requirements to be a Yath'queshel that I've heard about? I'm assuming that it isn't just something the players made up, so I'm wondering what our house's bards would have to do to get the title.

Vermathax wrote:

The main issue I have here, IS the rp. With Child of Night, there is a very important thing added to a character, RP-wise... they have gained something more to them, that they can use at their whim. However, I don't really see this being displayed that often, at all.

What I DO see, is Child of Night being used by casters to get access to hide/ms without taking a real route to it, essentially ignoring or "shoving" the rp of the class into their mold, and taking Shadowdancer for the 3 levels, to still get 100% full spellcasting progression with practiced caster. Does this add to the RP of the server, by essentially exploiting a class without taking the RP that goes with it?

Sadly it kinda seems like you are judging people's RP. But if you have an issue with a cleric/SD/CoN you might want to report such to staff and have more of a foundation on your judgement on their rp. Exploiting without RP the class? Right. Since my pc is the only one here, you are basically calling me out on it. If you are wanting to go on other servers where DM's player characters have +10 AC and +10 dmg on there items, I know of a few. But on Dalelands we are pretty tough on our staff to utilize the same rules as the player base. And my player character has been beating by many people one on one. I hope in the future you try and use that term exploiting and exploiter not as loose, I am locking the thread as I believe the real underlying issue has reared its head. Avoid judging other's rp. It is against server policy.