Dabel'kith Attack Zau'Afin in Camp

For the Drider situation, make it a special case where Lolth has cursed them even more to where they remember what they were and are revolted by the idea of what they are now. They can communicate, but who would listen to them. They can think but what would they plan but not accomplish. How would being a drider be any different to the person they were than being dead, its not really a punishment it is a "DONT DO THIS" or this will happen living sign from Lolth.

For the Person who is turned into a Drider, the DM takes their equipment and makes it a uniform color the Dm's decree. It can even be armor Arcanum makes and the DM changes their examine. Caught with a new non dm description, non DM Armor, 3 day ban the first time, 1 week the next and banished from the server forever since Lolth has taken you to Drider house. What this will do is allow PC's the ability to redeem themselves and roleplay the punishment they deserved.

*skitters around the UD*

A good idea Pathkiller, but a uniform I think would create a cheese element to the RP do to the simple fact that they will not appear as a Drider.

Don't get me wrong, you have good suggestion, but with out the appearance it will be weird, especially for new peeps who happen to jump in for the first time.

I like the idea of driderdom, or even perma death. It keeps people from doing things all willy nilly. If there are permanent consequences, it will keep the RP more realistic, ie... Insulting the Yath, picking a fight with every pc you come across, attempting an assassination without careful planning involved, etc.

I know people don't want to lose their characters. But honestly, in other games there are consequences for actions, like playing poker... YOU CAN LOSE. If I lose at poker, I either leave or buy back in. When I played the pnp game, and my pc died... He/she died, time to roll a new pc. People think it's harsh, but that's how you get a truly memorable pc... One that lasts.

Insulting a Yath does not deserve driderdom...it deserves a beatdown. Lolth would not turn one of her children into a Drider for insulting a yath...but she might turn the Yath into a Drider if the Yath was weak and did nothing to the offending drow!

Yes, I am going to agree with Nanga here. Lolth is about Might makes Right.... If your a weak priest then Lolth does not answer your prayers. This can not actually be RP'ed here as we all level up and you get spell progression no matter how strong or weak you are as you gain levels. This is one of my core beefs with "respect all Priest." You can play as weak will, foolish, non political, failure of a priest as you want and still, still have level 9 spells long as you mechanically can get them. Say your a level 30 priest but weak. Lolth should only grant you level 5 spells but your level 30 so you get level 9 spells. (And No this is not directed at anyone so don't flame me. This is a general statement)

RP is rp. If you play a weak character then by rights, you SHOULD get slapped around. Drow are all about dominace. If a male can dominate a female then he SHOULD do it. If she is to weak to force her will then oh well...

This is not about player level. If you are level 5 you could still insure some male did not drag you toon off and slap her around because of politics and allies. This is what being a drow is all about. It is about having the biggest balls and smacking people in the face with them.

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This is not about player level. If you are level 5 you could still insure some male did not drag you toon off and slap her around because of politics and allies. This is what being a drow is all about. It is about having the biggest balls and smacking people in the face with them.

I dont have anything but:

Even if "having balls" means "having them on the body of the jaluk you're pulling on a leash"

Permadeath is too extreme.

Banishment/exile is bad enough in my experience. I was banned for 3 RL months and it sucked to no end. I participated in all of two events during that whole time and basically wandered around the UD aimlessly.

About 'being weak' or whatever, it shouldn't just be about PC build strength. Some people who are good RPers may not be interested in powerbuilds, or are simply not experienced at making them. Lolth doesn't have the best domains/favored weapon either.

It really should be more about political presence. Sure, Gromph Baenre probably could have owned everyone in a one-on-one fight, but there is no way in hell he could get away with it if he killed a priestess in good standing with Lolth and was caught in the act.

Examples of what I would consider 'Weak' would be: Foolish, Lack of Wisdom, Insane, Not knowing or following the tenets/domains of Lolth, Failure to support their house members, Failure to achieve assigned tasks, etc.

I think part of the problem is that the Yath don't keep each other in check for these things and no one else is capable of doing so.

The Yath should be trying to destroy each other to increase their own power, even within their own houses, that's part of the tenets of Lolth, but instead they seem absolutely unified even across Qu'ellars.

oh goodness I can not believe Fuzzy said that! I almost choked to death.

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Permadeath is too extreme.

Banishment/exile is bad enough in my experience. I was banned for 3 RL months and it sucked to no end. I participated in all of two events during that whole time and basically wandered around the UD aimlessly.

About 'being weak' or whatever, it shouldn't just be about PC build strength. Some people who are good RPers may not be interested in powerbuilds, or are simply not experienced at making them. Lolth doesn't have the best domains/favored weapon either.

It really should be more about political presence. Sure, Gromph Baenre probably could have owned everyone in a one-on-one fight, but there is no way in hell he could get away with it if he killed a priestess in good standing with Lolth and was caught in the act.

Examples of what I would consider 'Weak' would be: Foolish, Lack of Wisdom, Insane, Not knowing or following the tenets/domains of Lolth, Failure to support their house members, Failure to achieve assigned tasks, etc.

I think part of the problem is that the Yath don't keep each other in check for these things and no one else is capable of doing so.

The Yath should be trying to destroy each other to increase their own power, even within their own houses, that's part of the tenets of Lolth, but instead they seem absolutely unified even across Qu'ellars.

I'd just like to point out that Gromph Baenre was renown for sending Demons in the shape of spiders after his sister in an attempt to kill her (Even though it was half hearted and he knew she would most likely win) to make her look like she lost faith from Lolth and to damage her status.

it's all about what you can get away with.


Continue.

The point is that was a quiet, private, secret attempt. If you're doing it in plain view of everyone PC in the camp, on the other hand...

+1 to Snil, only posting this now because I typed it, but it is along the same lines.

Um...lets remember...not everyone is level 30.

Let's take a look at mid levels. A jaluk who is level 17 and a Yathrin who is level 11. The Jaluk can likely trounce the Yathrin. According to the view's stated above that Yathrin should be getting their arse handed to them by this jaluk, simply because he is stronger and Lolth will favor this. This is not right, and encourages power gaming and building and from a Lolthian view it breaks tradition which is a HUGE nono in Lolthian society. It also takes all the power from the RP ranks and puts into the hands of the highest level toons. I am sorry, but just because someone is level 30 should not make them the most powerful politically. It's not fair to the large number of players who are not level 30 or even Epic yet for that matter.

This is slowly getting off topic and heading towards what I did not want too see, keep it topic related and about what you would like too see in the system, and if you dont like something how would you recomend making it better.

In regaurds to:

Public Insulting a yath infront of lots of witness's = Driderdom?

No, you might be lucky and get a fine and have to grovel and submit too said yath, if your noble, and then endure what ever horrior your Illharess's has waiting for you, or you might just get your tongue cut if your houseless and foolish enough to do this in public.

PvP Builds vs RP Builds:

~throws the broken record into the bin~ your all roleplayers, some of you have stronger builds, some of you picked builds that fit your character, you all have strenghs, you all have weakness's. a discussion for another thread another time I think. then again some of the threads in your qu'ellas I think cover pretty damn awsome ideas about how to over come certain people, and certain builds, as well as the tatic and weekly drill group evnts that are mentioned in both forums. say yeah (pours petrol over the bin) I think its safe to say (lights match) where done here (lights the bin on fire) Burn ah Jewood, Burn.

Lolths is all about Might!

~smirks~ maybe, maybe not..

Ball bashing and smacking around is what it is all about:

Sounds like orcs to me, but in anycase, This has gotton off topic, please return to the actual topic of this thread

~ will be deleting any off topic posts from this point on~

Sorry... you get the idea, I was trying to put it terms everyone would understand...

It is more then just resting on a title. It is about having those allies that will defend you. Blackmailing that person to lie, cheat or steel for you. Having the physical or mental might to enforce your will. It is about creating loyalty and fear in the people you rule. It is everything together that creates power. Not just taking a title.

I did like the idea of fines... Repeat offenders will have their Queller fined. The entire queller will be banned from camp until the fine is paid. Nothing says peer pressure like group punishment.

Repeat offenders will have their Queller fined. The entire queller will be banned from camp until the fine is paid. Nothing says peer pressure like group punishment.

Nice idea Fuzzie

anyhow im off to bed, will be up nice an early in the morning, please keep on topic and discus away, tomorrow morning ill write up and put the popular items (those that fit in this Severs UD) into the offical rules.

also please feel free to talk about assasinations in the underdark, as they are an important part.

Maybe my post before was misleading Lord Droke. I did not mean to say that being level 30 makes you politically powerful. Having allies that will support you makes you politically powerful. If I rp undermining a priest by gaining the support of most of her queller against her or at the very least convincing them to not interfere, the fact that I am level 30 is helpful. The fact that I was able to secure more support then her in her own queller is the important thing here. Both of them together? That is a rather powerful move.

Edit: The issue here is personal power is not as worthless as everyone would like to make it. Personal power DOES influnce things. A yath'abban totally discounting a male wizard because she can put yath in her name is silly. If he can cast level 6 spells she should be really cautious in how she deals with him.

Now, lets put this into another context.

The male wizard is powerful but out of favor in his queller, he has been beaten many times.

The Yath'abban is the third daughter of her house...

The male wizards personal power, is over come by the yath'abbans political power... Does this make sense?


There is a balance here. You can not just lean on your political power with no personal power or allies to back you up. Just like you can not just lean on your personal power with no political power and allies to back you up.

It was misleading...

What is currently between Gin and Za has little to do with Za's level and I did not mean to mislead that it was in my last post. My last post has nothing to do with the events of last night. What is between Za and Gin I want to remain IC and has no place in this thread.

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Back to topic.

Assassinations. How to handle them with out cheese or seriously peeing in people's cool laid? The Velg'larn is a highly valued and highly used member of the house. In their current state, they are only used as info gathers. I feel they should be given marks (people to kill) from time to time as well as working as spies. What would be a good way to approach assassinations and their successful results?

If all you are basing your concept of drow lore off of is the books not written by R.A. Salvadore, you really need to pick up and read Homeland. It's not a long book, and is a pretty fast read.

If you are upset about not having a bunch of yathrin in your house, well then do something about it, instead of alienating yath'abban, treat them well and recruit them.

Next, every time someone leaves the 00C room to enter the Underdark they get this warning -

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WARNING! Ruled by Llothite drow if you don't wish to participate in that sort of RP or don't know what this means, please do not make a UD race

To me this means "ruled by the yath" not ruled by who can kill other players characters the best, but rule by the temple, a theocracy. There should be no question in this, it is a fact of this server. If you can not accept this, or do not wish to, then frankly, don't play in the UD, please, just like the warning says each time you click it.

DM Deflier has put out some consequences that actually mean something given the limitations of the game engine (no perma death, no ability to stop spell casting for being weak in your faith, no real consequences for impugning the faith). Losing coin, losing gear and being banned from the UD are real consequences. Having a house lose coin, gear etc due to the behavior of their members are real consequences.

These consequences are harsh, yes, but everything else hasn't worked. I question maybe if they are too harsh, but harsh maybe what is needed to force a change that is in line -

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WARNING! Ruled by Llothite drow if you don't wish to participate in that sort of RP or don't know what this means, please do not make a UD race

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WARNING! Ruled by Llothite drow if you don't wish to participate in that sort of RP or don't know what this means, please do not make a UD race

Honestly, no one is doubting what kind of server this is. There is more to priest RP then rubbing your holy symbol in someones face like it is the I win button.
In the same token if you can not even RP publicly the fear of yath that collectively they DO by lore hold then you deserve to get a harsh beat down.

There are so many ways to power play. Put down the baseball bats people and try some sublty. There is a time and place for the bat but not everyday. Really I think thoses characters that manage subtle insults and slights should be rewarded. Maybe this will start a trend.

Start making Quellers feel the burn when their members act the fool and this includes the yath that mess up.

Yath who are caught making up fines should pay triple what they demand payment for. Not because I am a priest hater but because they are suppose to be clever and NOT get caught. It is bad enough for a non yath to do it. For a priest to be so careless?

I am against ANY player taking anothers items. This is going to cause silly drama and no matter what anyone says it will get ugly.

Assassins are difficult. The problem is failure not success. I think attempts should also be limited to only once a month per character. By this I mean player A can try to kill as many different people as they want but they only get one shot a month at each.

If people want a good indication of how Drow RP should be like watch game of thrones and specifically all the stuff that goes on in kings landing. Some of thats really damn good for capturing the political essence of it

Haha yeah, I had the same thought actually.

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Game of thrones yes. The affairs of house Batiatus in Spartacus as well is a good model.

I agree on monthly attempts per character. The reason I sight how to handle success is quite simple, current rules dealing with Death can cause problems when it comes to assassinations. For example, if a House Wizard is assassinated by an apprentice. According to rules regarding death, this player will be wandering around with no memory of the assassination. So I guess my question is more like, how do we handle this? According to the rules, the victim will have no memory of their death, so they will not know that they have been removed and replaced in their current rank and status.

The rules regarding death also throw a stick in the mudd when it comes to sending assassins out after someone to send them or their allys a message. An assassin does not necessarily have to kill, they can be enforcers as well..

Failure is easy. It results in a beat down, or death, depending on who the mark was. The death system works just fine here, unless the intended victim holds a grudge. This can get tricky IC. Perhaps if assassination victims who survive the attempts on their lives should just RP that the assassin was unknown after they are punished for failure?

I think assassins in our current setting fit better as a bodyguard, if you think about it, most of them have HIP and could follow their master/mistress around as their shadow. I understand this doesn't define their purpose as well as it should, but id rather have two HIPs'd guys overshadowing me that two obviously identified, easily notable guys.

just my two cents.